In the First Age he face against a Balrog in Cirith Thoronath. I must re - never mind all that." Thus he must have come across with the Rebellion, and as most of the inhabitants of Gondolin were Turgon’s men, if seems likely that Glorfindel would be numbered among that branch (Finarfin’s house) of the Noldor. Glorfindel – Elrond’s captain in arms and a prince of the Noldor. With Glorfindel, Elrond & Galadriel being such powerful beings, why would they not be trusted to be a part of such an important quest? Glorfindel was born in Tirion sometime during the Noontide of Valinor, and was descended from a house of princes. Top card is Galdor of the Havens. @metaljimmor summed it up quite nicely. – “The Peoples of Middle-earth” Glorfindel could not help but to snicker at the lack of communication between Elrond and his sons. Legolas was in for a very large surprise, that was for certain. Glorfindel hated being dependent, but his legs would not carry his weight any longer. Objecting to Tom as a guardian of the Ring, Glorfindel says, If we do not consider the First Age feats as valid then Glorfindel is in a worse position. On one hand he descended from Man, which in my mind makes him less powerful than pure Elves (especially ones on Glorfindel's level), but he also descended from a Maia, which in my mind makes him more powerful than pure Elves. A thousand years later he was sent by Elrond to take Frodo to Rivendell. This is pretty certain. the glorfindel that took down a balrog was a different glorfindel, he was from the first age. We know he came over to Middle-earth from the Blessed Realm from a line in “The Lord of the Rings” saying that he was one of the Eldar from beyond the furthest seas. We could then reasonably suppose that Glorfindel (possibly as one of a small party, more probably as a sole companion) landed with Gandalf-Olórin about Third Age 1000. Which is clever because Teddy clearly doesn't want to be in this meeting and Glorifindel wasn't present in the LOTR movie Council of Elrond. Do we consider Glorfindel a single individual who died and was brought back similar to Gandalf, or as two separate entities with their own feats? Glorfindel vs Elrond. He lived in Aman, came across to Middle-earth with the rebellion of the Noldor, died in the defence of Gondolin, spent time in the Halls of Mandos and then in Aman, and eventually came back to Middle-earth at the end of the Second Age or start of the Third Age. It is likely that his time in the Halls was not overlong, if he did not take part in the Kinslaying, and by his sacrifice, he saved the lives of Tuor, Idril and Eärendil – essential players in the designs of the Valar. Discard Wealth of Gondor . I predict that Lore Glorfindel will have his day, once we get 3 or 4 more cards like Elrond, that say "When a character is healed by a card effect, do X." All in all I'd give Elrond the win against Glorfindel of Rivendell. Make your own mind up. However, he is in the books. There is no life in the void…only death…", Would you like to become a site member? We are a photo community where photographers & artists can share their own photos and artwork with people from all over the world. War had become inevitable and the elves were preparing themselves to fight against Sauron. Was it just a throw-away comment, or a firmly held view not et written down? Basically, there was one. Tolkien explicitly said so, just a year before his own death, but only after many years of consideration after not realising he was making such a problem for himself when he accidentally used the same name twice. However he does have combat feats in being a major component in the Witch King's defeat, and later it was shown that the Witch King would prefer not to face him in battle again. Glorfindel. From these papers, we can build up a pretty solid timeline for his life, from First Age and before, to the end of the Third. Gil-galad vs Elrond & Elros - posted in Silmarillion: A friend tabled the idea of replacing Elrond & Elros with Gil-galad (aka Ereinon), son of Fingon, slayer of Sauron in the 2nd Age, and last High King in Middle-Earth. Elrond was also among those that stood against Sauron at Dol Guldur, which itself is an impressive, if unquantifiable, feat. Tolkien proposed three dates as to his return to Middle-earth: T.A. Elrond is, compared to all these other elves, very young, and though he is experienced in battle, and a ring-bearer, he could not stand before Galadriel's fury. We just know Elrond is the superior magic user. We won’t include on this list higher beings like Saruman, Sauron or Gandalf. What do you guys think? One. Play Daeron's Runes. As is easy to deduce, this isn’t exactly the most convincing argument. He would beat Elrond and likely Celeborn in a duel. In the Third Age he was a major fighter in the battle of Fornost where Witch-king of Angmar was defeated. Either in Middle-earth or Valinor. Sadly Tolkien passed away before he made a decision concerning the two Glorfindels. It can also be imagined that Glorfindel staying in the Blessed Realm furthered the designs of Manwë. Halls of Mandos followed by a second life in the Blessed Realm: – After his death, Glorfindel travelled to the Halls of Mandos, and at some point, probably before the end of the First Age, he was released from the Halls and went to live in Aman. Lindir – An elf who chats with Bilbo in Elrond… So, in our own opinion, these are the 10 best Lord of the Rings (Middle-earth) swordsmen: Elrond, Glorfindel, Imrahil, Eomer, Aragorn, Boromir, Feanor, Ecthelion, Legolas, and Fingolfin. He does not take part in the Kinslaying. Glorfindel (IPA: [ɡlɔrˈfindɛl]) is a fictional character in J.R.R. Glorfindel slid his sword into his scabbard, "Okay, I'm ready. And as we all know, he works better with Elrond, if you don't mind the super high threat from those 2 alone. Erestor – Elrond’s chief counsellor. He is the bearer of the elven-ring Vilya, the Ring of Air, and master of Rivendell, where he has lived for thousands of years through the Second and Third Ages of Middle-earth. Elrond is in the same faction as Gil-Galad and Glorfindel who are super strong combat characters and allow for buffing troops to F6, but no one character in Rivendell can do as much as Thranduil. =]. … Deal 1 damage to 1 enemy? Gender: Male Glorfindel was one of the primary reasons the Witch-King and his Black Numenoreans were defeated, and also took down a Balrog. Yeah, yeah - I know that 're-born Glorfindel' scared the cloak off the Witch-King (who fled for his life like a little wuss) but a mortal sorcerer certainly ain't no Balrog (so not even worth talking about). Frodo awakens two days later to find Gandalf sitting nearby. 192-4, IV.145), and Glorfindel of Rivendell were one and the same: he was released from Mandos and returned to Middle-earth in the Second Age.”. He then played a noble, heroic, and unrecorded part in the wars against Sauron. He was a much more skilled healer than Glordindel, and unlike Glorfindel has at least one feat of conjuring a sudden flood from the river that washed away the nazgul that tried to cross. – Nothing is known until he turns up in Gondolin, head of the House of the Golden Flower. Elrond, on the other hand, doesn't have many feats to his name beyond leading armies to victory, which doesn't automatically translate to superb fighting skill. 1000, with Gandalf, S.A. 1200 and the years following, or S.A. 1600. Definitely. Also, being a counsellor in the house of Elrond in no way compares with being a heavy-hitter of Gondolin. Elrond Half-elven is a fictional character in J. R. R. Tolkien's Middle-earth legendarium.Both of his parents, Eärendil and Elwing, were half-elven, having both Men and Elves as ancestors. Prayers and messages must have been received from them in Númenor and Valinor. He dropped the first one after some thought, and though he declared the second possible, he favoured the last as the most prob… Though the whole Sauron not having a body makes little sense. COTW reduces threat -1 TD 41 Top card: Steward of Gondor. Years later, long after the publication of ‘The Lord of the Rings’, my father gave a great deal of thought to the matter of Glorfindel, and at that time he wrote: “[The use of Glorfindel] in LotR is one of the cases of the somewhat random use of the names found in the older legends, now referred to as The Silmarillion, which escaped reconsideration in the final published form of ‘The Lord of the Rings’.” He came to the conclusion that Glorfindel of Gondolin, who fell to his death in combat with a Balrog after the sack of the city (II. Well it is, because it took the White Council including Gandalf, Saruman (who played the biggest role), Elrond, Galadriel and Glorfindel amongst others to drive him out of Dol guldur. There was one Glorfindel. Gandalf lashes the Orc in the mouth with a chain. Up ahead she saw Glorfindel walking with her Ada. Besides the two of you were observed by my Galadhrim.”/ She added with a smile: /”They do Glorfindel may have been one of the few of the elves in Rivendell that could ride openly against the Nine, but Elrond could have 2 oh and btw when i started i thougfht Glorfindel would win i just like trying to make a better case for the loser =p im nice like that7 years The twins had thought that Elrond had told Thranduil while Elrond had thought that the twins had informed Legolas of their new family member. Elrond lifted Glorfindel into his arms, covering him with his cloak. I don't recall any source that says Glorfindel of Rivendell was born in the First Age, which would put him below Elrond in terms of power and experience. When Frodo crosses the Ford of Bruinen and Elrond and Gandalf command the the flood to come, Glorfindel (and Aragorn, of course) actually force the Ringwraiths into the flood. It is also likely that while in the Blessed Realm, he lived among the Vanyar and the Noldor, had the companionship of the Maiar, and became a friend and follower of Olórin. "Lord Elrond needs you to go save some hobbits that are traveling with Aragorn." – Around Third Age 1000 (suggested in “Glorfindel I”). – He took part in the defence of Gondolin against Morgoth’s hordes, leading the House of the Golden Flower in a battle in the Great Market and another – against Orcs and Balrogs – on the way down to the Gate. You can register or login, Designed and Maintained by Netrix Creative. Glorfindel loyally served Elrond’s great-grandfather Turgon King of Gondolin. At the same time though, Elrond has an advantage in magic. He was incarnate, but had gained great spiritual power. He followed the House of Fingolfin during the Flight of the Ñoldor, but he took no part in the Kinslaying at Alqualondë. Elrond was also a fine fighter and fought in several battles versus Sauron's forces, but I'm going to go with Glorfindel being the victor in a sword duel. That depends on how much one trusts Christopher Tolkien’s knowledge of his father’s beliefs, and whether he interpreted his father’s words correctly. I see you! I very much enjoy reading your insights on Tolkien related matters. Glorfindel was one of the primary reasons the Witch-King and his Black Numenoreans were defeated, and also took down a Balrog. Gandalf explains the … Exhaust Wizard Pipe to switch Glorfindel with Daeron's Runes. Arwen – Elrond and Celebrian’s daughter. In the end, both Glorfindel and the Balrog plummeted to their deaths from the mountainside path. Glorfindel carries Frodo to Elrond, who begins to heal him. They fought bitterly for hours until a fire-drake overwhelmed them, and Glorfindel and the remaining of his men retreated to join Tuor’s men in the main Square. When in the Blessed Realm, Tolkien considered that Glorfindel would be almost of similar “rank” to those of the Eldar who had not rebelled. It's hard to say, though, since we don't know how these two compare in terms of raw fighting ability. But the phrase, “those who have dwelt in the Blessed Realm live at once in both worlds, and against both the Seen and the Unseen they have great power,” seems to refer primarily to Glorfindel. Taking on a balrog is a mighty feat that puts him on much the same level as other great elven heroes. Then he could have crossed the seas with Gandalf. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. – Glorfindel takes part in the Rebellion of the Noldor, following Turgon’s host more out of loyalty than any wish to go to Middle-earth. Which is more likely? – “The Return of the Shadow” Certainly it would be much closer to canon, and you would get probably get to see Elwing play with her kids a while before heading in for the briefing. While they were originally meant to be different people he later decided elf names were unique to each individual, and so wanted to connect the two and make them the same person. Glorfindel vs Elrond who would win ? It's also worth mentioning that Elrond bears Vilya, one of the three elven rings. Gildor Inglorion – One of the Noldor (High Elves) and leader of a group of Elves. Christopher Tolkien only discusses his father’s views, with no direct material to quote from. Also the only really powerful Elves remaining in the TA were Galadriel, Celeborn, and Cirdan, which is nowhere near the counterparts Glorfindel had to deal with during the FA. Glorfindel was originally planned to be part of the Fellowship of the Ring, in a way taking the place of Legolas. Name: Glorfindel Origin: Lord of the Rings. All in all I'd give Elrond the win against Glorfindel of Rivendell. Tier: At least 7-B, likely 6-B. Glorfindel's posting to Imladris should have been straightforward, a way for him to integrate into life in the Second Age while giving Elrond some much-needed assistance. – On the flight from Gondolin, he sacrificed his life defending the fugitives by battling with a Balrog. He then ran off to wherever Elrond was at the moment. While the Blue Wizards were sent to the east, Glorfindel’s mission was to aid Gil-galad and Elrond in the struggle against Sauron. Luckily, however, we now have a much better source – two papers Tolkien wrote around 1970 – 1972, called in PoME, “Glorfindel I” and “Glorfindel II”. Elrond proclaims that if he had the elves of old at his disposal, that it would do nothing but arouse the power of Mordor. Arwen was walking down the hall, looking for her brothers. He remained in the Blessed Realm until either near the end of the Second Age, or to the first century of the Third Age. Elrond has always been difficult to guage for me. He came to the conclusion that Glorfindel of Gondolin, who fell to his death in combat with a Balrog after the sack of the city (II. This supposition would indeed explain the air of special power and sanctity that surrounds Glorfindel Let's find out! Glorfindel is the biggest contender. None of that took into account the proprietor of the local house of ill repute, or the presence of a suspected arsonist. /”Your Lord isn´t the only one foreseeing events, Master Erestor. In a hasty note about the Council of Elrond, Tolkien suggested that Glorfindel could tell of his ancestry in Gondolin, but this idea was disbanded. I tend to prefer the idea of him crossing the seas with Gandalf, both because there is no record of such a strong and heroic figure in the battles of the Last Alliance and because I like the idea of two sent from the Valar arriving in Middle-earth together and going forth to aid Elves and Men. Legolas, Gloin and Gimli, and Boromir arrive in Rivendell. He has seen the Light(I think from the tree), and he has the showings to prove it. Theories with Fatal Flaws. – unknown. Do we believe this? Five years later, Gandalf returned to Dol Guldur, finding the dying Thráin, and Gandalf was entrusted with the map and key to give to Thorin II, although Thráin could not tell him his own or his son's name before he died. Glorfindel was one of Elrond’s chief counselors, and as evidenced by the seating arrangements at the feast in Rivendell, an Elf of very high rank. Taking on Sauron, even with the aid of other powerful figures, is impressive, and the fact his spell swept away a whole group of nazgul sort of proves he could have contended with the Witch King as well. – Tolkien wrote down several possibilities for Glorfindel’s return to Middle-earth. Gil-galad and Elrond overcame Sauron, and Isildur cut the Ruling Ring from his hand. Gandalf comments, “Caught between fire and water, and seeing an Elf-lord revealed in his wrath, they [the Ringwraiths] were dismayed…” (FotR, 218). Aragorn and the hobbits are welcomed by Gandalf. In Rivendell Glorfindel occupies a seat of importance right next to Elrond and at the Council he becomes the first one to suggest that the Ring should be destroyed. He defeated a Maia which is not an easy task. We can therefore reasonably assume that Glorfindel, after the purging or forgiveness of his part in the rebellion of the Noldor, was released from Mandos and became himself again, but remained in the Blessed Realm – for Gondolin was destroyed and all or most of his kin had perished.”. While the elven rings don't enhance the individual's power they do grant the ability to preserve and heal, which could come into play during a long confrontation. Draws Galdor of the Havens and Gandalf's Staff. It could be expected that he would stay in Aman, after all Gondolin had been destroyed, along with his kin. Draw 1 card? There is nothing to say definitively that Glorfindel is of the Noldor, however, we can pretty easy suggest that he is. I believe Tolkien had notes about considering glorfindel of rivindel as a reincarnated glorfindel from the first age but died before he made a final decision so technically speaking they are 2 separate entites :). Here we have incontrovertible proof of Tolkien’s own views: “An elf who had once known Middle-earth and had fought in the long wars against Melkor would be an eminently suitable companion for Gandalf. Barad-dûr was completed and the One Ring forged. He seems to be a very fun character to use and a … Power and Stats. It opens up a rather odd circumstance with the canon. Gender: Male Location: United States. @metaljimmor: Yet another excellent analysis regarding a Tolkien topic. Both are strong warriors, but I cannot find much to judge their skills in comparison.